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Hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton

Produced by Davis Land and Rachel Cohn

Edited by Jen Poyant

Engineered by Rowan Niemisto

Original music by Dan PowellMarion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto

Read the transcript from our interview with Sam Altman.

Last week, we interviewed Sam Altman. Since then, well, everything has changed. The board of OpenAI, maker of ChatGPT, fired Altman as chief executive on Friday. Over the weekend, it looked as if he might return. On Sunday night, Microsoft hired Altman to lead a new A.I. venture. Who knows what will happen next.

Today, an update on a crazy weekend in tech, and our interview with Sam Altman.


Credit…Photo Illustration by The New York Times; Photo: Eric Risberg/Associated Press

Today’s Guest:

Sam Altman is the former chief executive of OpenAI.

Additional Reading:

On Sunday, Microsoft hired Sam Altman after OpenAI had fired him.

Kevin breaks down the winners and losers from the OpenAI rift.


“Hard Fork” is hosted by Kevin Roose and Casey Newton and produced by Davis Land and Rachel Cohn. The show is edited by Jen Poyant. Engineering by Rowan Niemisto and original music by Dan Powell, Marion Lozano and Rowan Niemisto.

Special thanks to Paula Szuchman, Pui-Wing Tam, Nell Gallogly, Kate LoPresti and Jeffrey Miranda.



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